SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 1 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 1 Today's Topics: Books - Robert A. Heinlein & Mack Reynolds & John Varley, General Discussion - The Importance of Writing Style, General Comments - WESTERCON, Film - Steven Spielberg & Dune (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 1 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 2 Today's Topics: THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (13 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 1 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 3 Today's Topics: Books - Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs), Discussion - S.F. Music, Film - Twilight Zone & War Games ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 6 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 4 Today's Topics: Administrivia, Books - Donald Barr & David Brin (2 msgs) & Gregory Benford & James P. Hogan (2 msgs), Discussion - Good Books to Read ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 7 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (10 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 7 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 6 Today's Topics: Books - Gene Wolfe & Libertarian and Marxist S.F. (4 msgs) & Non-Fiction Book About Science Fiction, Discussion - Names in Fantasy & Writing Style & S.F. Music, Film - Steven Spielberg & Twilight Zone the Movie (SPOILER) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 8 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (8 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 9 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: Film - WarGames (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 9 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: Film - WarGames (6 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 10 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 10 Today's Topics: Books - James P. Hogan (some spoilers) (9 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 10 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 11 Today's Topics: Books - Patricia McKillip and Orson Scott Card (2 msgs) & Gene Wolfe (2 msgs), Discussion - Fantasy Names and S.F. Styles and Ayn Rand in Music (6 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 11 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 12 Today's Topics: Books - James Blish & J.O. Jeppson & T.H. White & "Mr. 666", General Discussion - Marxists and Libertarians & A Physics Question, Film - Dune & Steven Spielberg (2 msgs) & Star Trek (3 msgs), Television - Dr. Who, Conventions - OKON ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 11 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 13 Today's Topics: Film - WarGames (5 msgs) (Some Spoilers...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 11 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (13 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 12 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (13 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 12 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: General Discussion - King Arthur (2 msgs) & Fantasy Names (3 msgs) & Marxism/Libertarianism (2 msgs), Books - James Blish & James Hogan & J.O. Jeppson, Film - STAR TREK (6 msgs), Barbarella (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 13 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 17 Today's Topics: Books - King Arthur (3 msgs) & J.R.R. Tolkien and Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs), Film - Star Trek (4 msgs), Books - Orson Scott Card, Film - Colossus, The Forbin Project ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 14 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 18 Today's Topics: Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 12 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 15 Date: 5 Jul 83 15:25:43-PDT (Tue) From: ihnp4!houxm!hocda!spanky!burl!sb1!mb2c!gll @ Ucb-Vax Subject: Re: Re{venge,turn} of the Jedi Re: Fred Blonder's comments on shadows... "And now for something completely different: Since Tatooine has two suns, a fact which the filmmakers like to show off, how come we have shadows on Tatooine? We see shadows beneath the sail barge and the smaller craft, but they're all single. These craft were high enough off the ground that the shadow should have split into two distinct shadows. Just think how much fun (i.e. headaches) the special effex folks could have had with that one! Since Tatooine's two suns are of a slightly different color, they could have even made the two shadows of different colors." If anything, this was a continuity problem -- not a special effects problem. There was only one scene in the entire sequence where you see the "real" (full size prop) barge over the Arizona desert. This could have been hacked by using a BIG bank of spots all coming from one side. As for all the other shots, they were either model shots matted over real scenes ("plates") with the shadows done with hand animation -- or they were total miniature shots with model barges over model desert. In the latter case it would have been simple to get double shadows with the studio lighting. "... The reason I mention this is that early on there is a panorama shot of the landscape and two suns are shown. Later on there is a scene where the leader and the captain of the rescue ship are walking out of the cave and on to the surface. They have two distinct shadows--one strong, one faint." Its amazing what you can do with electric light bulbs... -c ------------------------------ SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 14 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 19 Today's Topics: Film - WarGames (8 msgs) (Some Spoilage) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 16 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: Discussion - King Arthur and General Fantasy and Names (6 msgs), Books - James P. Hogan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 16 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: Television - Dr. Who (4 msgs), Film - STAR TREK (6 msgs) and STAR TREK SPOILERS (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 20 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 22 Today's Topics: Administrivia, Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (20 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 21 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: Discussion - King Arthur (7 msgs) & Names in Fantasy & Stephen Donaldson's Style, Query - A Call for Writers in a New Role-Playing Game, Conventions - NASFIC and the 1986 WorldCon, Question - The SF Book Club ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 21 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Books - J. P. Hogan (4 msgs) (SPOILERS) Film - WarGames (9 msgs) (SPOILERS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 23 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 23 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 26 Today's Topics: Discussion - King Arthur (4 msgs) & Names in Fantasy, Books - Patricia MacKillip & Orson Scott Card (2 msgs) & Susan Cooper & J.P. Hogan & John Varley & Larry Niven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 24 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 27 Today's Topics: Books - Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) & J.O. Jeppson (4 msgs) & Larry Niven & John Norman & King Arthur, Discussion - SF Music & Usenet Styles, Film - Dune, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 24 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: General Comments - Andre Norton and SF Rock and SCA and Bug Jack Barron and John Varley and Dino De Laurentis and Robert Silverberg and Aliens in SF and Living Your Fantasies (1 msg), Books - Mr. 666 (3 msgs), Conventions - NASFIC and Worldcon, Film - Barbarella & Star Trek (5 msgs) Humor - UFO's and Little Green Men ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 25 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 29 Today's Topics: Film - WarGames (6 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 26 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 30 Today's Topics: Books - King Arthur & Breakaway Station & Stephen Donaldson & Patricia MacKillip & Larry Niven & John Norman & Time Paradox Stories, Film - Star Trek (4 msgs), General Discussion - USENET Participation in SF Lovers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 27 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 31 Today's Topics: Books - James P. Hogan (3 msgs) & Larry Niven (2 msgs) & Fantasy in Arthur and Tolkein and Donaldson (5 msgs), General Discussion - USENET and SF-LOVERS (5 msgs), General Query - A Call for Help from Robert Forward ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 27 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 32 Today's Topics: Film - The Revenge of the Jedi (6 msgs) & WarGames (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 28 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 33 Today's Topics: Books - David Brin & Stephen Donaldson & Robert A. Heinlein & J.R.R. Tolkien (2 msgs), Film - Star Trek, Television - Doctor Who, Comics - Ronin, General Discussion - The S.F. Book Club & SCA & Stereotypes in Science Fiction--Robots, Computers and Mad Scientists and Hackers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 28 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 34 Today's Topics: Film - Twilight Zone: The Movie (9 msgs) (SPOILERS) & WarGames (4 msgs) (SPOILERS) & The Return of the Jedi (2 msgs) (SPOILERS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 29 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 35 Today's Topics: Books - "Breakaway Station" & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) & J.R.R. Tolkien (3 msgs), General Discussion - SF Book Club & WorldCon (2 msgs) & The SCA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 29 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 35 Today's Topics: Books - "Breakaway Station" & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) & J.R.R. Tolkien (3 msgs), General Discussion - SF Book Club & WorldCon (2 msgs) & The SCA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 30 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 36 Today's Topics: Film - Twilight Zone: The Movie (5 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!) & The Return of the Jedi (6 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!!!) & WarGames (SPOILERS!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 31 Jul 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 37 Today's Topics: Books - J.R.R. Tolkien (3 msgs) & Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) & Frederic Pohl & John Norman (2 msgs) & Charles W. Runyon, Television - Dr. Who, Conventions - WorldCon, Film - WarGames (Spoiler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 1 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 38 Today's Topics: Administrivia, Books - Frederic Pohl & Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien & John Norman, Film - Star Trek & Twilight Zone: The Movie (2 msgs) (Spoiler!) & The Return of the Jedi (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 2 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: Books - J.R.R. Tolkien & Robert A. Heinlein & Terry Brooks & Charles W. Runyon, Film - Krull (SPOILER!!!) & WarGames (2 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!) & Twilight Zone: The Movie (SPOILER!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest V8 #37 is "I Weapon". Although I read the book quite a while ago and have forgotten some of the details, I would put the book at an ok level -- I wouldn't pay today's price of $3.95 for it (anyone care to place bets on when the first line of books start hitting $5.00?) /Eric ------------------------------ SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 3 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 40 Today's Topics: Administriva - Odds & Ends, Books - David Kyle & L. Ron Hubbard & Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) & J.R.R. Tolkien & Larry Niven (2 msgs), General Query - Anyone Have a WorldCon Schedule? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 5 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 41 Today's Topics: Film - The Return of the Jedi (12 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 6 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 42 Today's Topics: Books - David Brin & Arthur C. Clarke & Randall Garrett & Robert A. Heinlein (4 msgs) & P.C. Hodgell & David A. Kyle (3 msgs) & J.R.R. Tolkien and Terry Brooks and Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 6 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 43 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Regarding the Transmission of SF-Lovers, Discussion - Aliens & Fan Politics & Our Future & SCA (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 7 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 44 Today's Topics: Film - Star Trek (4 msgs) & Krull (SPOILER!!!!!) & WarGames (4 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 8 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 45 Today's Topics: Administrivia - WorldCon SF-Lovers Party???, Books - Terry Brooks & Randall Garrett (2 msgs) & Alexis A. Gilliland & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) & L. Ron Hubbard & David A. Kyle & Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 8 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 46 Today's Topics: Discussion - Science Fiction vs. Fantasy (2 msgs) & The Fourth Tower of Inverness Our Future (2 msgs) & Gene Engineering, Conventions - WorldCon (2 msgs), Film - Krull (SPOILER, but very funny anyway!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 10 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 47 Today's Topics: Film - Star Trek (3 msgs) & The Return of the Jedi (5 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!!!) & Superman III (SPOILER!!!!!) & WarGames (SPOILER!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 10 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 48 Today's Topics: Discussion - Characters and Alternate Universes & The Future & The SCA (3 msgs) & WorldCon (2 msgs), Books - J.R.R. Tolkien (5 msgs), Film - Krull (SPOILER!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 10 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 49 Today's Topics: Books - F.M.Busby & Alexis Gilliand & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) & P.C. Hodgell & L. Ron Hubbard & Poul Anderson & David A. Kyle and E.E. "Doc" Smith & Tom Reamy, Mixed Messages - Star Trek and Larry Niven & Robert A. Heinlein and Stephen R. Donaldson and J.R.R. Tolkien ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 12 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 50 Today's Topics: Film - Star Trek (6 msgs) & The Return of the Jedi (5 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) & Twilight Zone: The Movie (SPOILER!!!!!) & Krull (SPOILER!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 12 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Conventions - WorldCon Schedule & SF-Lovers Party (4 msgs) & List of Cons & WorldCons, Discussion - SCA & Alternate Universes (9 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 12 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 52 Today's Topics: Books - Poul Anderson & Stephen Barnes & Stephen Donaldson & David A. Kyle & Jeremy Leven & John Myers & Tom Reamy, News - Vegan Planets? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 13 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 53 Today's Topics: Film - Star Trek (4 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) & WarGames (2 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) & The Return of the Jedi (2 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 13 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: Discussion - The Future, News - Killer Robots!, Books - Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs) & Issac Asimov ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 14 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: Re: Enumerating Alternate Universes Universe numbering Alternate worlds alternate universes Parallel Worlds Wizards and Warriors - Plot continuation outline & Background Re: Looking for book info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 15 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 56 Today's Topics: Update - SF-Lovers Worldcon Party (3 msgs), Discussion - WorldCon in Other Countries (3 msgs) & Robot Murderers and the Three Laws (2 msgs), Books - Issac Asimov & Grendel Briarton & John Myers & Tom Reamy & J.R.R. Tolkien, Television - Thunderbirds, Film - Superman II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 15 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 57 Today's Topics: Discussion - Alternate Universes (4 msgs) & Alien Aliens & Transporters (3 msgs), Film - Star Trek & WarGames (SPOILER!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 16 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 58 Today's Topics: Books - Issac Asimov, Conventions - WorldCon SF-Lovers Party, Discussion - Alien Terrestrials & Kids and Computers & Media S.F. vs. Book S.F. & S.F. Writers on the Net (2 msgs) & Transporters & Alternate Universes (2 msgs) & Alternate Universes (SPOILED!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 17 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: Administrvia - WorldCon SFL Party, Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs) & Computer Security & Science Fiction and Predictions & Matter Transporters & Book vs. Film Science Fiction, Conventions - 13th Annual Fantasy Faire ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 17 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 60 Today's Topics: Discussion - SF Writers on SF Lovers, Books - Stephen Donaldson & Randall Garrett (2 msgs) & Sharon Green & Harry Harrison, Television - Thunderbirds-F.A.B. & Star Trek (4 msgs), Records - Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 18 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 61 Today's Topics: Books - Issac Asimov & Harry Harrison, Film - Star Trek and The Star Wars Series (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 20 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 62 Today's Topics: Books - Isaac Asimov (2 msgs) & David Brin & A General Book Message, Magazines - F&SF, Discussion - Alternate Universes & The SCA, Records - The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Film - Star Trek (2 msgs) & Star Wars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 22 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 63 Today's Topics: Books - Isaac Asimov (2 msgs) & John Myers Myers & Paul O. Williams, Query - Science Fiction and Fantasy Book Survey, Discussion - Science Fact Predicted by Science Fiction & Computer Security (2 msgs) & Alternate Universes, Film - Star Trek (2 msgs) & WarGames ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 24 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 64 Today's Topics: Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs) & Computer Security (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 25 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 65 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Net.SF-Lovers, Books - Isaac Asimov (2 msgs) & Harry Harrison & Robert A. Heinlein & Fritz Leiber (4 msgs) & Justin Leiber & Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien, Notice - Forthcoming Book Releases, Query - Best SF & F Short Works, Books - David Brin (semi-spoiler warning) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 25 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 66 Today's Topics: Film - The Star Wars Series & DUNE & Liquid Sky & Metalstorm & Star Trek (2 msgs), Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs) & Computer Security & Inventions in SF & Transporters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 25 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 67 Today's Topics: Records - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (2 msgs), Discussion - WorldCons, Books - Fritz Leiber & "Star Bright" Query (2 msgs) & Larry Niven ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 26 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 68 Today's Topics: Television - Dr. Who, Books - "Star, Bright" (4 msgs), Discussion - Science Fiction and Inventions (2 msgs) & WorldCons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 29 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 69 Today's Topics: Books - Poul Anderson & Isaac Asimov & Fritz Leiber (2 msgs) & Murray Leinster & Theodore Sturgeon, Records - Hitchikers Guide, Conventions - Convention Listing & WorldCons, Television - Wizards and Warriors, Comics - Elfquest, Books - David Brin (SPOILER!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 30 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 70 Today's Topics: Discussion - Alternate Universes (8 msgs), News - What's Coming in Books ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 31 Aug 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 71 Today's Topics: Administrivia - WorldCon, Books - Poul Anderson and A. Bertram Chandler & "Star, Bright" & Harry Harrison & Fritz Leiber (2 msgs), Discussion - Alternative Universes (2 msgs) & Characters & Scicence Fiction vs. Fantasy & Monorails, Records - Hitchhiker's Guide (2 msgs) Film - It! The Thing From Beyond Space & WarGames (3 msgs), Comics - ElfQuest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 1 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: Television - Wizards and Warriors, Film - Star Trek (2 msgs), Film - METALSTORM (SPOILER WARNING!!!!!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 1 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 73 Today's Topics: Books - A. Bertram Chandler & Fritz Leiber (2 msgs) & Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien (2 msgs), Discussion - Alternate Universes & Computer Security, Records - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Film - It! The Terror from Beyond Space! (2 msgs) Mixed Message - "Mixed Bag", Film - Metalstorm (Mild Spoiler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 6 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 74 Today's Topics: Books - Various Book Reviews ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 7 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 75 Today's Topics: Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 8 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 76 Today's Topics: Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 9 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 77 Today's Topics: Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 10 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 78 Today's Topics: Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 11 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 79 Today's Topics: Conventions - Convention Listings (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 11 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 80 Today's Topics: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 11 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 80 Today's Topics: Conventions - Convention Listing Continued! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 12 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 82 Today's Topics: universe numbering SF & F Survey Continued ... SF for Adolescents looking for an old story Re: Convention Listings Re: Elfquest (SF-LOVERS Digest V8 #69) Re: 'Star Bright'? - (nf) Dune movie info Adventures of the Starkiller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 12 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 82 Today's Topics: Discussion - Alternate Universes, Books - SF & F Survey & SF for Adolescents & Search for a Story, Conventions - Convention Listing, Comics - ElfQuest, Radio - Star, Bright, Film - Update on DUNE and the Origins of Star Wars, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 19 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 84 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Various Problems and News, Books - Isaac Asimov & Susan Cooper & Philip Jose Farmer & Harry Harrison & Donald Kingsburn & C.S. Lewis & Rudy Rucker & Joan Vinge & Robert Anton Wilson (2 msgs), Records- Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs), Mixed Messages - Hitchhiker's Guide and Dr. Who ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 20 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 85 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Oh the pain, oh the pain..., Books - Isaac Asimov & Philip Jose Farmer & Randy Rucker & Two Questions & SF for Adolescents (3 msgs), Television - Star Blazers, Film - Dune (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 21 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 86 Today's Topics: Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs), Books - SF for Children of All Ages & Short SF Query & Merit Survey Results ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 22 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 87 Today's Topics: Film - Forbidden Planet & This Island Earth and The War of the Worlds & I, Robot & Star Trek (4 msgs), Television - Star Blazers & Dr. Who & Wizards and Warriors, Games - Videogames, Books - Douglas Adams & Philip Jose Farmer & L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt & Alan Garner & James P. Hogan & Randy Rucker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 23 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: Discussion - SF & Literary Merit (4 msgs) & Adolescent SF (5 msgs) & Alternate Worlds & Short Good SF (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 24 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 89 Today's Topics: Books - David Brin & L. Sprague De Camp (2 msgs), Conventions - SF Cons List Updated, Television - Star Blazers, Film - Star Trek (2 msgs) & Nightmares (3 msgs) & SF Film Production Opinion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 26 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: Books - David Brin (2 msgs) & Juvenile SF (6 msgs), Discussion - SF & Literary Merit (2 msgs) & Short SF (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 29 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: Film - General Comment About Film & Brainstorm & Krull & Liquid Sky & A Boy and His Dog (5 msgs), Books - Douglas Adams, Radio - Hitch-Hiker's Guide to The Galaxy, Records - Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy & Dr. Who album, Television -Dr. Who, News - Organ Banks Today? (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 29 Sep 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: Film - Dune, Discussion - SF for Adolescents and Other Youngsters (2 msgs) & Hugo Awards (3 msgs) & SF and Literary Merit (5 msgs) & Short Good Science Fiction (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 2 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: Books - L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt (2 msgs) & Harlan Ellison & Philip J. Farmer & Norten Juster & Donalds Kingsbury (2 msgs) & Ursula K. LeGuin & Jullian May (2 msgs) & Edson McCann and Frederik Pohl and Lester del Rey (2 msgs) & Patricia McKillip & Andre Norton (2 msgs) & Roger Zelazny ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 2 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: Discussion - Science Fiction for Kids of All Ages (8 msgs) & Classic Science Fiction and Fantasy & Science Fiction and Literary Merit (8 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 2 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 95 Today's Topics: Discussion - Good Short SF and F, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs), Film - A Boy and His Dog (3 msgs), News - Organ Banks Today?, Various Subjects - Mixed Messages On Too Many Things To Be Listed! (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 6 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Exciting New Update!, Books - Isaac Asimov & David Brin (2 msgs) & Lester Del Rey & Harlan Ellison (4 msgs) & Douglas Adams (2 msgs) & Michael Jahn (?) & Donald Kingsbury & "A Subway Named Mobius" & John Myers Myers (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 6 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 97 Today's Topics: Books - Spider Robinson & Norman Spinrad & Roger Zelazny & New Book Releases, Discussion - SF for Adolescents and Others (3 msgs) Film - A Boy and His Dog & WarGames & Star Trek III & The Star Wars Saga (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 6 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 98 Today's Topics: Discussion - SF & Literary Merit (5 msgs), Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs) & Studs Terkel, Comics - Elfquest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 14 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: Film - Bladerunner, Television - Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy, Books - Douglas Adams (4 msgs) & The Very Worst Book Ever Written, Conventions - Convention List Updated & Those Awful Science Fiction Cults at Conventions, Discussion - Education in Science Fiction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 14 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 100 Today's Topics: Discussion - Organbanks & "Sci-Fi" vs. "S.F." (7 msgs), Books - Isaac Asimov & David Brin (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 14 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 101 Today's Topics: Books - Lewis Carroll (7 msgs) & L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt (2 msgs) & James Patrick Hogan (3 msgs) & Star Trek Books, Film - Star Trek III: In Search of Spock ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 17 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 102 Today's Topics: Books - Groff Conklin & Philip K. Dick & A. J. Deutsch (4 msgs) & Spider Robinson & Norman Spinrad (3 msgs) & Roger Zelazny, Discussion - SF for Adolescents and Others (2 msgs), News - Latest from Locus, Comments - Private Spending vs. Government Spending ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 22 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 103 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Marriage and the Digest, Mixed Messages - A. J. Deutsch and Norman Spinrad (1 msg) & Alan Garner and James Schmitz and Adolescent Books and L. Sprage de Camp and Fletcher Pratt and the Brothers Sturgatsky (1 msg) and Harlan Ellison and Ben Bova and Douglas Adams and "The Lord's Pink Ocean" (1 msg) & Lewis Carroll and "Death Watch" (1 msg) & Subscriber Query and Wizards and Warriors (1 msg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 25 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 104 Today's Topics: Discussion - SF as Great Literature (9 msgs), Books - Thomas Covenant Series (2 msgs), Television - Dr. Who (4 msgs), Movies - Foundation movies? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 28 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 105 Today's Topics: Books - Douglas Adams' new book(s) (5 msgs) & Dream Park Filk song? & Thendara House & Sundiver & Startide Rising & Thomas Covenant Series & Zenna Henderson?? & the Merit of Silverlock & Spinrad's 'Iron Dream'& AI literature & New Amber Novels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 28 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 105 Today's Topics: Books - Douglas Adams' new book(s) (5 msgs) & Dream Park Filk song? & Thendara House & Sundiver & Startide Rising & Thomas Covenant Series & Zenna Henderson?? & the Merit of Silverlock & Spinrad's 'Iron Dream'& AI literature & New Amber Novels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 28 Oct 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: Movies - Response to Question about "Bladerunner" & Star Trek III: Kruge, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs), Discussion - The Very Worst SF Book Ever Written (4 msgs) & "Sci-Fi" vs. "S.F." (4 msgs) & Organbanks, Humor - New Sci-Fi collaborations??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 1 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 107 Today's Topics: Re: Zenna Henderson?? Zenna Henderson merit survey Re: Merit Survy Results Anyone know title/author? another request for title/author Time Enough For Mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 2 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 108 Today's Topics: Books - Douglas Adams & Alfred Bester & David Brin & Gene Wolfe, Music - Old Time Religion (3 msgs), Query - Science Fiction Ghost Writers, Comics - MARS, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs), Film - Brainstorm & Bladerunner & News about 2010: Odyssey Two & Possible Movie about the 414's?, Games - Traveller--Science Fiction Adventure in the Far Future ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 4 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 109 Today's Topics: Books - Piers Anthony & Christoper Anvil & Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs) & Norman Spinrad, Query - Groff Conklin OMNIBUS Query, Discussion - Private vs. Public Funding of Space Travel, Film - Bladerunner (2 msgs) & Star Trek: The Motion Picture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 7 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 110 Today's Topics: Query - Looking for a book? & Looking for Contradiction in Terms, Music - Old Time Religion (3 msgs), Comics - MARS, Discussion - Public vs. Private Funding of Space Travel (5 msgs), Television - The People & Dr. Who & Hitchhiker's Guide ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 7 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 111 Today's Topics: Film - Brainstorm & Dune & The Star Wars Saga (2 msgs) & Bladerunner, Books - Spider Robinson and Michael McCollum and Charles Sheffield and Jack Williamson (1 msg) & Gene Wolfe and George R.R. Martin (1 msg) Harlan Ellison and Zenna Henderson and L. Sprage de Camp and Catherine de Camp and Lin Carter and Robert Howard and "Thriller" & Douglas Adams (3 msgs) & John W. Campbell, Jr. & Stanislaw Lem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 11 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 112 Today's Topics: Books - Douglas Adams (8 msgs) & Isaac Asimov & David Brin (5 msgs) & M.A. Foster & David Gerrold & John D. MacDonald & Michael McCollum & Michael Moorcok & Jesse Peel & H. Beam Piper (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 11 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 113 Today's Topics: Books - J.R.R. Tolkein & Jack Vance (3 msgs) & Gene Wolfe (3 msgs) & "Math Books" (2 msgs) & The SF Omnibus, Film - The Star Wars Saga, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs), Games - Traveller & Empire of the Petal Throne ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 14 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 114 Today's Topics: Bookclubs - Walden Books SF Book Club, Bookstores - Rare and Hard-to-Find Books, Radio - The FOURTH TOWER of INVERNESS & Other ZBS Weirdness, Television - Dr. Who (7 msgs), Conventions - Buttons Seen at SF Cons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 17 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 115 Today's Topics: Books - Douglas Adams (6 msgs) & Isaac Asimov & David Brin (2 msgs) & M.A. Foster (2 msgs) & Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) & Michael Moorcock (2 msgs) & H. Beam Piper & J.R.R. Tolkein & Jack Vance, Query - Looking for a Lost Book/Story, Film - Sequel to "The Day the Earth Stood Still" & The Star Wars Saga, Television - Dr. Who (3 msgs), Music - "Old Time Religion" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 21 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 116 Today's Topics: Administriva--Hail and Farewell, Television - Dr. Who (11 msgs), Books - Douglas Adams (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 21 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 117 Today's Topics: Administriva--Hail and Farewell, Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs), Books - James Blish (6 msgs) & David Brin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 21 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 118 Today's Topics: Administriva--Hail and Farewell, Books - M.A. Foster (2 msgs) & Jack Vance (2 msgs) & Gene Wolfe, Mixed Message - Douglas Adams and M.A. Foster and Michael Moorcock and Jack Vance (1 msg), Fandom - SF clubs & Buttons Seen at SF Conventions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 27 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 119 Today's Topics: Query - Lost Books and Other Love Affairs, Fandom - SF Clubs & SF Cons List & Filksongs & Walden SF Book Club, Space -CalSpace info request, Television - Dr. Who (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 27 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 120 Today's Topics: Music - David Bowie, Film - Dune & The Star Wars Saga (6 msgs), Events - Harvard Film Archieve December SF Listing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Sunday, 27 Nov 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 121 Today's Topics: Administrivia - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish..., Books - Piers Anthony (2 msgs) & Isaac Asimov & James Blish & David Brin (2 msgs) & Fantasia Mathematica & Jack Vance (2 msgs), Query - Looking For Yet Another Book ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 2 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 122 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Hi There Sailor!, Books - David Brin (6 msgs) & Robert Asprin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 3 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 123 Today's Topics: Re: Robots of Dawn Anthony's XANTH - (nf) Re: The Library! -- vs. Democracy Guerilla RE: Black Easter Women's Lit - slight spoiler Re: Mindkiller (*mild spoiler*) - (nf) Stableford series identified re: Joe and the brain symbiot Vance lover short story review ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 5 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 124 Today's Topics: Television - Dr. Who (9 msgs), Music - Filk songs & David Bowie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Monday, 5 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 125 Today's Topics: Television - Dr. Who (10 msgs), Film - The Psychology and Politics of 50's Films, SF clubs - The Oldest College Science Fiction Club ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 9 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 126 Today's Topics: Television - Dr. Who (5 msgs), Movies - Star Wars (7 msgs), Miscellaneous - The Future Now ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 9 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 127 Today's Topics: Special Issue - SF conventions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 10 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 128 Today's Topics: Books - Channel's Destiny (2 msgs) & Anthony & Brin, Television - Dr. Who (3 msgs), Films - Star Wars (5 msgs), Miscellaneous - SF Clubs & Recent SF awards ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 13 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 129 Today's Topics: Books - Huxley & Gilliland & Mccaffrey & Orwell (5 msgs) & Tepper & Varley, Films - Star Wars, Television - Dr. Who ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Friday, 16 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 130 Today's Topics: Books - Duane & Lichtenberg (2 msgs) & Orwell & Pohl & Russ & Vance & Varley Films - ILM & Star Wars (4 msgs) Miscellaneous - The Future Now ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 20 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 132 Today's Topics: Books - Brin & Huxley & Orwell & Pohl & Book Requests (2 msgs) & Miscellaneous Film - 2010: A Space Odyssey & ILM Television - Dr. Who & Blake's Seven Miscellaneous - Old Time Religion & Parsecs & Black Holes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Thursday, 22 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 133 Today's Topics: Administrivia - Missing Digests and Season's Greetings Books - Miller & Orwell & Pohl (3 msgs) & Varley & Book Request Films - Special Effects in Movies (4 msgs) & Starwars Television - Dr Who & Star Trek ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Wednesday, 28 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 134 Today's Topics: Books - Anne McCaffrey (2 msgs) Film - Star Wars (3 msgs) Miscellaneous - Parsecs (3 msgs) & Black Holes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 31 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 135 Today's Topics: Books - Bradley & Leiber & Niven (3 msgs) & Orwell Television - Star Trek (2 msgs) Miscellaneous - Black Holes & The Parsec (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SF-LOVERS Digest Saturday, 31 Dec 1983 Volume 8 : Issue 136 Today's Topics: Books - MacLeish (3 msgs) & Matriarchies, Television - Dr Who (2 msgs), Films - Star Wars (2 msgs), Miscellaneous - The Parsec ----------------------------------------------------------------------